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Sensitivity, the senses,
the
sensation of silence and heightened awareness.
A
tango conversation between Noel Strazza and Richard
Sagala
(translation
from French: Carole Newman)
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the interview in Word
Presentation
of Noel Strazza:
Buenos
Aires-born Noel
Strazza has studied the tango with its Argentine masters. A gifted professional
dancer, with a rigorous
training in both classical ballet and
contemporary dance,
Noel’s versatility has enriched many distinctive dance
companies. She has
featured in numerous international festivals.
Her
dance partnership
with Pablo Veron began in August 2000 and has taken the couple all
across the
world to teach and perform.
To
name a few,here
are just some
of the places and circumstances
in which Noel has found
herself
over the last five years:
A tour of Korea and Japan
with Pablo Veron,
October-December 2005
Guest
appearance with Pablo Veron at the « XXII Gala of
the Stars », Place
des Arts, Montreal, September 2005
« Tango
Sinfonico” with Pablo Veron and the Potsdam
Kammerakademie
Orchestra, Germany,
August 2005
Tour of Australia
and New
Zealand
with Pablo Veron, October 2004
Show with
Pablo Veron and the Buenos Aires Tango Via Orchestra at the
Theatre de
Chaillot, Paris,
June 2003
Show with Pablo Veron and the
Quintango orchestra
in May 2002 at the 2002 Washington
Tango
Festival in the National
Building,
Washington
D.C
Show with
Pablo Veron and the Color Tango Orchestra at the Fireworks Tango
Festival of Los
Angeles, July 2001
Show with
Pablo Veron at the Gran Ballo di Gala, Salone di Prima Classe della
Stazione
Maritima in Genoa,
December 2000.
Show with Pablo Veron
and the Stockholm
Philharmonic Orchestra at the Varmland Classic
Festival, Karlstad,
Sweden,
August 2000
Noel teaches
regularly in Buenos Aires and in her adoptive hometown of Montreal
at the
Studio Tango.
The
Interview begins….
-Does
the tango,
independent of passing crazes and period dance styles, have a
definitive
character all its own? And can we pin down exactly what its underlying
essence
is?
N.S.
Yes, I
think it always comes back to the same thing, this feeling of
connection
between two people coming together as one, of two completely different
energies
meeting to create something quite magical together: of being able to
feel
deeply, and enter into a game that is really a conversation, and then
to be
able to dance all that. That
for me is
the very essence of the tango, this sense of connection and
improvisation. It
is that which is so enriching and ever-present, and yet which
tantalisingly
changes each time, depending on our partner, our own state of mind at
the time,
the stage of life we’re at, our reaction to the music
– all these things are in
permanent change and evolution. If I think of the Twenties, of the
Eighties or
even of my day today, that fact never alters. That is the
tango’s lodestar,
guiding the dance, be the style more traditional, more modern, or the
accompanying music modern or traditional.
-Connection
and
improvisation, then. So
is connection an
attribute exclusive to the tango and not to other couple dances?
N.S. No,
not
especially. It’s
difficult because we
tend to make an abstraction out of the word
“connection”, whereas I find it a
very concrete thing.
-Then
let’s talk
concretely about it.
N.S.We
need
connection in all couple dances. I
don’t
know them all, but I’m familiar with some of them through
having danced
them. The minute we
no longer dance
alone, we need connection: Usually
one
person leads and the other follows.
The
tango is the dance par
excellence to distinguish the leader and
follower roles, so I don’t know whether connection has more
rapport with the
tango per se but, yes, its strong role identification perhaps makes it
even
more
noticeable. It also seems to me that, in the other dances, there are
far more
cues to help couples follow each other in the dance than in tango. In the tango there now
exists a nomenclature
that is being elaborated as we speak but, before that, hardly any
signals existed.
-Before
when?
N.S.
I’d say that from
the Nineties onwards, when the craze for what was called the new tango
-
the « nuevo tango »- first
appeared, a group of people began to
identify certain dance codes or, to put it better, a nomenclature for
teaching
purposes. They
began to accord tango a terminology
in order to better identify individual steps or sequences. But not to
the point
of robbing the dance of its rich potential for improvisation. Quite the
reverse….
-So
this nomenclature
is truly useful for teaching ?
N.S.
I think so. It’s
useful, but you also have to know how to teach what has been passed
down
through the oral tradition and not abuse it with this kind of
codification. If
not, the whole thing could become artificial and choreographed, which
goes
entirely against the grain of tango. So
I believe that this ascribing of a
terminology, this codification,
can only help if one incorporates it into teaching as a means of
explaining the
dance, but not it as an end in itself, since we’d risk losing
sight of the
dance’s true nature. And
we mustn’t
forget that those who have embarked on this work are people who have
come up
through the tango tradition, and very much so, and know exactly what
tango was,
and where it was coming from. But they had difficulty in studying with
masters
who didn’t have at their fingertips the wherewithal for
transmitting their
knowledge. So these
people
undertook the task of
rendering transmissible what they themselves had acquired from the oral
tradition by using as an intermediary a little decoding process to
throw light on
the subject.
-We’ve
spoken of the
Nineties, but put in the context of the entire century, are we speaking
here of
a natural evolution in the dance, or a revolution? How are we to view
the
arrival of modernism in, let’s say, the last fifteen years?
N.S.
I think we’re
talking of an evolution. We
must learn
to be more willing to embrace this idea of permanent evolution, yes
it’s
exactly that, an evolution, but not a linear one. At any given moment
it might
seem that nothing new is happening and yet, ten years hence, something
will
erupt onto the scene; it’s an evolution, but one that is
neither continuous nor
regular. A growing
number of people are
dancing, but only a handful will emerge, and bring either new or
different
dimensions to more or less alter the evolution’s course. I’m talking of
the one-offs who have left
their indelible mark on the dance. But
surely everyone
should have their own style and, since we’re talking of an
improvised dance,
for me, the ideal would be to have as many styles as there are dancers.
-Would
that indeed be
the ideal?
N.S.
Absolutely, that
would be the ideal, but at the same time we are all human beings,
seemingly
alike in that we are all beings with two legs and a heart…
but there are times
when one of our number stands out from the rest as having a presence
which is
that much more different. But
I’m not
sure that there are that many actual differences in style.
-So
the tango
encourages the dancer to express his own style and personality but are
we in
danger of trying to cultivate originality for originality’s
sake, to the
detriment of the core values of the dance?
-N.S.
I think we have
to let things be. The person who is going to break out is going to do
so even
despite himself. It’s
not by shutting
oneself up in a room of wall-to-wall mirrors with the intention of
creating a
new movement that a new movement appears. One has no control over that.
We’re
also talking about a degree of talent here, inspiration, a tenacity
for work
and research… if you like that sort of thing then you have
to dig deeper.
-It’s
necessary to
study, then, but is it possible to do so without masters?
N.S.
I think so.
-Can
one then learn
tango without the tutelage of a teacher?
N.S.
Without
the direct
influence of a teacher, yes I think so.
But, nevertheless, it’s important
for each and every dancer to find a
suitable "master", be it a source of reference, be it a partner, or a
role model
one admires, who will help us establish certain benchmarks and set us
on
the right
path to our own evolution.
-However,
if I can
draw on personal experience here, when you consider that it’s
more than three
and a half years now that we’ve been working together, all
this heightened
consciousness and awakening to the real sensations emanating from the
correct
movements and the exchange of energy that it induces, never
could I
have done it alone, or with a partner, or through all the workshops in
the
world.
N.S.
Ah!
Thank you… (she laughs)
No,
it’s true, it’s
very true.
-So
I find it very
strange, this idea that one can learn this dance without working
one-on-one
with a teacher who is guiding our progress.
N.S.
Yes, that’s so.
We need a hands-on mentor, and I would say that in the life of every
dancer, no
matter who, there needs to be someone he can talk to, engage in a free
exchange of ideas, an
exchange of
presence and energy.
-There’s
a saying in Zen, « Ishin
Denshin »,that means that the Zen spreads
from my heart your heart, from my spirit to your
spirit. Is it the
same in the tango?
N.S.
Yes, you could
say that.
-Or
from my body to
your body, from my feelings to your feelings?
N.S.
From one being to
another with all that being has as such; they have a body, a
heart, a
skin, a spirit, a sense of music, a sense of life – a sense
of all that, I
think, and all that is what is going to be brought to the connection,
on their
meeting in the dance.
-It
seems to me that, in your teaching, you attach great
importance to quality, am I right?
N.S.
Quality in what
sense?
-In
the sense of the
genuineness that emanates from the right
feelings that
get generated by the excellence of the movement,
from
clarity, that sense of truth, really, that we find in all good art
form...
N.S.
Yes, quality in
the sense of honesty in fact. There
is
no quality without honesty, I believe, and when one speaks of
connection and
this profound capacity of being able to let go in an improvisation, all
that
must stem from honesty. You
can’t
improvise on the basis of falsity.
You
can’t give something to someone else if you’re not
prepared to commit yourself
to the other with complete honesty and feel that the other absorbs it
equally
into what is their total honesty.
The
minute one tries
to fake this channel of communication through false interpretations,
the underlying
truth has evaporated, the improvisation no longer exists and, in the
final
analysis the connection isn’t there either.
-Do
you see it as your
duty as a teacher to bring each of your students to a realisation of
this
notion of honesty that is in the centre of a good dancing technique?
N.S.
Yes, completely.
-Even
though that
person only intends to take one or two lessons and just wants to amuse
himself ?
N.S.
Yes, because the tango is a form of amusement for
me too.
I enjoy the feeling it gives.
I’ve
been very fortunate in finding the tango to give me that. I
certainly didn’t come to the tango in
order to dance… I’ve danced all my life. I came to
the tango because I couldn’t
comprehend how one person could invite you to perform just one movement
with
him, and then that situation would repeat and repeat itself until the
couple
was dancing an entire dance solely on the basis of step-by-step
improvisation
and the communication between them. I couldn’t understand it.
Even when I was
doing duos and pas de deux I never felt that. The duos in contemporary
dance
and in ballet consisted of movements that each of the two learned on
their own
and then someone put them together. It wasn’t a question of
intense
communication all the time, all the time, all the time.
That’s why I wanted to
know more about the tango, so that I could take it all in.
And
that’s what
attracted me, and amazed me, and that’s what I try to
communicate. And I even
try to convey that to the person who just wants a little light
entertainment
from the dance, by trying to make him see that the more he takes it up,
and the
more it appears hard to understand, the easier it’s going to
be in the end;
no-one’s being forced to learn complicated steps and
hyper-difficult sequences,
but if some-one can learn how to connect in all simplicity with another
person
then he’ll have in his grasp all the enjoyment of this dance.
And
if that person
can’t fully appreciate the significance of that, then they
must be made to
realize that maybe they should be learning another
dance…(laughter)
I’m
not going to torture
anyone, but I’m going to try my utmost to convey what the
tango’s essence means
to me, and do it in the most simple and enjoyable way I can.
-So
this mysterious
connection that unleashes the freedom to improvise, that's what
fascinated you?
N.S.
Yes, quite,
because at the time I was a member of a contemporary dance company that
was
doing choreographies to Piazzola pieces.
The choreography consisted of bits of
contemporary dance interspersed
with bits of tango choreography. But when I saw that, and when I saw
the people
who were actually dancing the tango in the tanguerias and milongas, I
was in no
way seeing the same thing. So
when I saw
myself on video doing my little tango steps, I said to myself,
we’re not doing
the tango at all… but I didn’t understand why.
So
I said to myself
that I really had to find out what the tango actually was in order to
know
whether I was dancing it or not. I’m
insisting on this point because this is something I’ve lived
and felt. No–one
actually taught me. Well, yes, they
taught me, but I wasn’t entirely sure, because I was just
listening to their
words. I finally
convinced myself of the
truth through my own physical efforts, because the teachers had
given me sufficient
input for me to be able to take myself to the point of being able to
feel tango in my
soul and with my body.
-You
always attach
great importance to the student’s transcending the technical
skills you’re
trying to develop in them in order to feel their effect at a sensory
level. I
can certainly bear witness to that. And even though you are not a
leader when
we’re dancing, you always succeed in guiding me and making me
experience the
proper feeling that should arise from the technique, and one that I
must learn
to recognise…it’s quite exceptional!
N.S.
Thank You!
(laughter)
-So,
from those empty
steps on stage at the beginning, you embarked on and orientated your
research
towards
discovering some real emotions that would take you to the core, and
capture the
essence of this dance?
N.S.
Yes, that’s right.
When I’m teaching someone, I would like that person to dance
as they would
wish, but I’d also like them to master certain technical
elements so that, once
again, they can create their own style, their own way of moving, of
dancing.
One can’t get to that point without working on deep personal
feelings. So I try
to make it so that this person appropriates whatever has come up in the
lesson
through what they were feeling, and not through thought processes nor
constant
repetition of mere technical movements, because, when all’s
said and done, it
would be very easy to forget all that.
And
in contrast, a
feeling is something one’s never going to forget. A genuine feeling,
you’re never going to
forget it.
-So
no putting it on;
it’s got to be real?
N.S.
Yes, it’s got to
be real, but yes one can also put on an act. Providing it’s
done consciously,
it can be fabulous. But not while you’re learning, more as a
trump card maybe.
-Is
improvisation very
difficult?
N.S.
Well, it demands
great … the Spanish word <entrega> comes to
mind. Let’s call it being
able to give oneself with utter conviction, to give oneself
completely.
-For
the leader does
that mean giving oneself through the act of offering, the
“yang” idea, and for
the follower, through the act of receiving, the
“yin” concept? Can we speak in
terms of such polarity?
N.S.
As far as roles
are concerned, the more the connection grows, the more comfortable the
improvisation becomes and the more the roles begin to merge. Initially, there is an
invitation from the
leader to perform a movement and an acceptance of that movement by the
follower
that effectively transforms it. So the follower is replying; the leader
replies
in his turn, the follower replies to that, the leader replies once
more, and
this game of responding invites us to grow within the improvisation,
and one
becomes increasingly alert and more and more aware and sometimes one
can no
longer feel who is leading or who is following…. even though
one really knows
deep down who the leader is and who is the follower.
-
I think these are
key issues for you. It seems- and correct me if I’m wrong-
that you sincerely
believe it to be absolutely necessary for the leader to be directive
and really
lead, and not as one sometimes hears to the contrary, to soft pedal a
little in
order to blur the lines somewhat. Do you see the bond between leader
and led as
hierarchical?
N.S. For me, no.
-Because it’s by consent?
N.S.
Exactly. That’s
how it is in tango; I learnt it like that, and I enjoy it.
-Is
it a fundamental
characteristic of the dance in your opinion?
N.S.
For me, yes, because
this is tango that I am dancing. When I dance this dance, when I dance
the
tango with all its tradition and feeling, it ought to be like that.
And
I wish to add
this, a lot of people use the word “tradition” or
think of tradition as
something old: “Everything traditional is old they would
say”.
But
for me there’s no
connection between what is old and what is traditional.
Tradition is more akin to something that is
linked to the very essence of a given thing.
You could say it’s old because it
began a very long time ago… but for me
something that is traditional is rooted in feelings, in essence, and
even though
it did begin a long, long time ago, tradition is very rich and
extremely
important. Whether one dresses in period clothes or not, draws on steps
from a
certain era or not, dances in period style or not, tradition is there,
even if
one is dancing to the most off-beat music, dressed in the most
outlandish
clothes and with the wildest hairdo thrown in for good measure.
And
what I admire in
those whom I consider to be great dancers, is that I see reflected in
them a
tradition; I see the essence of tango, be they older or extremely
young, ultra
modern in style or more conservative.
-Can
you describe for
us some key elements of this tango tradition?
N.S.
Everything we’ve
been speaking of: well-defined roles, this sense of connection, this
game we
call improvisation, two energies meeting to create something magical,
all that
is to do with tradition. And it’s not dependent on any
particular style. Style
evolves, the style of the steps evolves and the abrazo (embrace)
evolves, but
tradition is tradition and the essence of tango remains the essence of
tango.
-Has
improvisation
always been part of the tradition?
N.S.
Yes, absolutely,
even though all down through the years, there have always been
people who
have
choreographed the tango. Choreography’s a legitimate way of
doing it. But in
creating choreography, the starting point is always improvisation, and
you draw
on the sheer magic of being able to improvise; you invent sequences and
other
elements. Then you go on to select some of these and bring them alive
and
juxtapose them in a way that blends well with the
music, and
then costume the piece to help it tell a particular
story…
-And
it’s not the
reverse? That you start off with a step sequence that you know will
make a
strong visual impact and try to fit it into a given piece of music?
N.S.
Yes, you can do
that too, but where have you got that step sequence? From
improvisation!!!
-By
concentrating too
much on choreography, don’t you risk losing the elemental
quality of the
improvisation?
N.S.
You have to be
vigilant, you have to know what you're doing!
If you want it to still look like tango, you
must always leave the door
open a little in order to keep the fresh air of improvisation
circulating and refreshing the whole thing.
-When
Pablo and
you mount a choreography, is there any built-in flexibility during
performance that allows
chance
elements to arise spontaneously and prompt improvisations or,
conversely, do
performance pressures, technical challenges and audience expectations
force you
to place every single step and control everything?
N.S. No, no, no, not in my
experience, and
especially with Pablo. He often keeps large sections totally
unchoreographed
and there are even times when we want to dance what we’d
planned in the
choreography but we never make it because, in the dancing, something
has come
up whereby improvisation just takes over because it’s
stronger than what we
intended. But then I’ve had the good fortune to work with
Pablo, who is an
improviser par excellence, and an extremely good choreographer too. Working with him,
it’s never been difficult to
keep the spirit of improvisation alive.
-You’re
dancing with no
safety net?
N.S.
Exactly.
-There’s
risk taking?
N.S.
Spot on,
absolutely! And personally, I revel in the permanent dizzy heights of
it all!
-So
it’s not a source of anxiety to be eliminated?
N.S.
On the contrary,
it’s a source to cherish, to nourish, because it helps us
maintain this state
of heightened awareness that so characterizes the tango.
-I
once remember your
taking me to task over the fact, that in the course of improvising, I
relax
the lead and chance takes over. Does chance have a place in
improvisation?
N.S.
Yes, chance can
make us lose track, and for me – I don’t know how
other couples react- but for
me the lead is paramount. The
more
absorbed I am in my own role, the more I communicate, and the more I
feel I’m
an equal partner. That
might seem paradoxical
but I feel I have more freedom when I am better led.
The better I’m led, the more I
feel I’m being
encouraged, and the more ample is my response.
-So
to be led with
conviction doesn’t make you feel more confined?
N.S.
No, not at all; I
try to give my partner confidence and I think that any leader who feels
confident, the more confident he feels, the more his partner can commit
totally
to him and the more totally he can commit to her. It’s at
that point that they
establish communication. Never fear giving too much; the more one
gives, the
more one’s going to receive. So the more I let myself go, the
more at ease
he’ll feel, and the more he’s going to allow me to
do what I want as
well.
-What
is it that
characterizes the follower’s role?
N.S.
In the first
instance, you could say that one is there to be invited. I really like to refer to
the lead as an
invitation. For me
the lead is not like
driving, the lead is an encouragement, an invitation. So, from this
invitation,
a conversation springs up. You can start to communicate and for me
that’s what
the lead is. And to abandon oneself to the lead in fact, rather than
say
‘abandon”, I’d prefer “empty
oneself”, be in neutral, without colour, simply
there, present and transparent….
So,
through that invitation, I am going to reflect the colour of
the dance:
black,
blue, red, pink or green, depending on who’s inviting me,
depending on the
music, depending on my state of mind, depending on whether
it’s raining or not,
depending on… so many things. That initially is what the
role of the follower
is. So far so good, but it would also be good if the leader could
abandon
himself to listening and replying.
It’s
just like a conversation. You’re
not
speaking right now because you’re listening to me but, if I
say something, it’s
because I want a response from you, and then it’s my turn to
remain silent and
listen to you.
-You
talk of emptying
yourself, a creative emptiness. Is
that
something you try to teach your female students?
N.S.
Yes.
-We
say in Zen that “the
empty hand can receive everything”.
N.S.
That’s a
beautiful analogy.
-We
also say that the
main attribute of a vase is its emptiness, the mere fact that it is
empty: A
full vase is no longer useful.
N.S.
Yes, but the "vase"
in question has a soul; it has a shape, a colour, a presence. But not all vases are
alike; each differs in
form, qualities and presence. And a sense of her own unique presence.
This is
what I try to instil in my female students.
Empty,
yes, but with a
strong presence, capable if receiving what the leader is going to give:
Not
empty, as in dead, without energy.
-What
are the basic
techniques a follower must master to allow herself to evolve and
achieve full
expression in the dance?
N.S.
I’d say they were
to acquire a sense of silence, an active silence. A state of awakened
awareness.
To
be calm, alert,
silent and completely aware.
-And
inversely, for
the leader, what would be basic techniques for a good leader who wants
to
flourish and achieve his potential in the dance?
N.S.
You’ve asked me
a difficult question because it sets me thinking of what I would want
in return
from someone else… because just now we were talking of my
role. But, in the
other’s shoes, I think he should be able to offer a
tremendous sense of
connection with the music.
-Even
before his
connection with his partner?
N.S.
Yes, and that
helps him enormously to establish his presence and determines what sort
of
invitation he can extend to his partner.
-Does
he guide from
his musicality or according to his dance technique?
N.S.
Musicality is a
most important element of technique. Musical instinct is paramount.
And
it’s the prime
motivation to dance after all. One
has
always danced because there has been music, no?
-This
musical
dimension, does it apply to both partners?
N.S.
Yes, of course.
-But
it’s primordial
for the leader?
N.S.
For both.
-So
for a dancer to
develop in the most complete sense, together with his technique must
come a
commitment to develop his musical instinct. Or is that already a given
like the
colour of his eyes and not required to be improved through hard work
and
research?
N.S.
No, a bit of
both, but you can study and study and study; it’s rather like
being able to
move well. Some
people are considerably
more gifted in this area. It’s
the same
thing with music.
-But
aside from one’s
innate capability, where musicality or sense of rhythm are concerned,
can one
boost and further evolve these?
N.S.
Musicality is
very important, extremely important. It’s a hyper important
fountain of
inspiration. It’s a motivation for even moving at all. And as
a tool in the
dance, it helps with leading and responding.
-Freedom
in the dance,
is it the reward of hard work and effort, or can one avoid the work and
enjoy
instant freedom?
N.S.
No, I think you
have to work to get to that point.
-Work
a little, or
total dedication?
N.S. Depending on the
degree of success you want, but no it’s not
easy. (laughter)
It’s
difficult, and
the more you want to delve into the dance, and the more you want to
enrich your
experience and go for quality, the more effort you must make, and the
more you
must work.
-Is
it reasonable to
expect that, if someone only wants to expend limited but well-directed
efforts,
if they’re well-orientated, they can reach an acceptable
level vis-à-vis the
quality of their dance?
N.S.
Yes, it is an
accessible dance, but you mustn’t think that you can avoid
having to learn the
basic techniques that the tango tradition requires of us.
-So
the amount of
effort to be put in can vary?
N.S. It all depends on what
your aims are. It’s
a dance in which you might need to be
extremely supple in order to achieve certain goals.
But it’s not necessary to go to
those lengths
in order to say one dances tango. Virtuosity and acrobatic contortions
are on a
completely different plane and must be seen as separate from the dance
itself.
-In
our work together,
you seem to make much of
« intention », and I know of few
people who
have conceptualised and insisted on intention quite as much as you, as
a
crucial component of leading. Could you tell us more about it?
N.S.
I see intention
as a concentration of all our energy and all our being, and a
prerequisite to
the invitation to execute a movement.
-It
seems that it’s the
initial phase of preparing to move, right?
N.S. It’s a way of
harnessing energy; a way of
deciding what amount one is going to call upon in order to accomplish a
given
aim.
-It
appears to me to
be more akin to the realms of transmission and communication than to
any
physical action you transfer to your partner’s body, if I
understand rightly…
N.S.
Yes, that’s
right. It is what
precedes, and
ultimately results in an action.
To
have
action without intention is like producing an action without having
adequately
invested in it.
-Can
you clarify that
further?
N.S.
It’s like an
intermediate stage between an idea and its enactment.
You have an idea: you’re going to
amplify
that idea through intention and finally end up with an action but,
before
arriving at the action, a degree of intensity is also involved. So
there is an
intention, accompanied by an intensity, and it’s all going to
result in an
action. Whether that action be short or long, a pivot, a voleo, a jump,
a
pause, a suspension, it doesn’t matter what the movement is
that you are
inviting the other to participate in. What does matter above all things
is that
it is preceded by the intention of what one wants to provoke.
Intention,
invitation, execution.
It’s
all done almost
imperceptibly, but distinctly just the same.
-You
were speaking of
the pause just now. Is making more pauses to our advantage, in your
opinion?
N.S. I believe it’s
an open choice and each person
must do as he pleases. Personally, I love it.
-But
is it necessary?
N.S.
Me, I love it.
The pause is a silence… Silence contains movement; silence
is an internal
action, and it’s a very rich element that makes an enormous
contribution to the
dance. But it remains a personal choice.
It’s like using double time and
acceleration, that’s personal. Even so,
these are important elements that I try to convey to my students so
that
hopefully they will add them to their palette and eventually use them
in their
own dance. To me these seem more useful than teaching fixed step
combinations
and predetermined sequences. And
even if
I do teach a set sequence, I invite students to include what elements
they already
command such as silences, pauses, accelerations, different dynamics,
and
discrete quality of movement. So, ten people could perform this same
sequence,
ten times in ten different ways. In fact the same person could do it
ten times
in ten different ways, and that’s what is so rich about this
dance.
-We
spoke of evolution
at the beginning of this interview and how we should view the future. Have we invented all there
is to invent in
the tango?
N.S.
No, most
certainly not, not even just in terms of combinations.
We’re far from having explored
them all.
-Faced
with seemingly
endless choices, of schools and style, what advice would you give a
student to
help them find their bearings?
N.S.
You have to
dance, search, explore, and follow your own instinct! In my own
research, never
has anyone told me what to do, never.
-Is
that because good
teachers didn’t exist or because you hadn’t found
the right person to direct
you?
N.S.
It doesn’t work
like that in Buenos Aires where I learned to dance; it
doesn’t work like that
at all. The way they learn there is far more, one might say,
teach–yourself.
So, for a while, you go to someone you’ve come across, to
master certain
aspects that respond to a pressing need at the time, but it’s
difficult. There
is no one person of whom you could say, so-and-so is my teacher,
he’s my
master, and to whom you would stick like glue and in order to learn
everything
there is to know. Anyway, that was my experience.
Before,
when there
were more of the old dancers around, young dancers would approach them
hoping
to learn from them. Not that they had a school or that they were
teachers even.
It was more like” Alright, come round and we'll
eat and I’ll show
you a few steps” or “Come and have tea at my house
with your partner and I’ll
show you some stuff.” Or “ Come this weekend!
We’re going to watch so-and so
dance and you should see how he moves.” It was like that. You were always
responsible for your own
research.
It’s
not necessarily
like that in other parts of the world, like here in Montreal, where
there are
schools with organized syllabuses and set timetables -levels
one,
two,
three, four, five, six; that didn’t exist at all there and
no-one learned like
that in Argentina. It was a question of going out dancing, taking a
course here
and there, picking up everything, writing your own
book…studying and
constructing your own dance.
You’re
on your
own! (laughter)
« Here!
I’m
showing you this and don’t ask me any questions about it
because I don’t know
what the hell I’m doing” (laughter)
… and that
without any ill-will at all. But
since the Nineties, far more dancers have begun to teach, tour the
festivals
and organize workshops on a regular basis. So there are more
opportunities for
taking courses, and if you like a certain teacher, you can follow him. But don’t forget
that that doesn’t
necessarily mean that you’ll get special attention or a
rapport in strictly the
personal sense…
-Believe
me that,
where I’m concerned, I consider it a pleasure and privilege
to have had the
opportunity to develop such a rapport and to have enjoyed your teaching
for
several years now. Finally, many thanks Noel, for giving us this
interview and
accepting to become “god-mother” to our tango
club.
N.S.
The pleasure is all mine.
Montreal,
2006-03-09
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